The problem is finding and surrounding yourselves with the kinds of people that you really like. You and Joe are social enough, that you could probably do that anyplace you lived. Randy & I are the same way.
If one or both of you spoke French, there's always Vancouver ... but not a lot of tech jobs up there. To emigrate to Canada, you'd probably have to go somewhere in Ontario, where they have truly sucky winters, and you and Joe would both be miserable.
While Joe's engineering job skills are easily transportable ... they're also uniquely suited to the Valley. As is Joe's and your personalities and temperments.
Having said all of that ... in an absolutely, undeniably selfish way, Randy & I don't want y'all to move out of the Bay Area, either.
Now that my health problems are ironed out, the twins have been properly churched (or nearly so), and I'm not going to be travelling as much this coming year (see my next LJ entry for details) ... I've made an early resolution to socialize more. You and Joe have only to suggest a get togehter, and Randy & I are usualy happy to oblige (well, not on Randy's twice-a-year, 4AM-starting-time inventory weekends).
My personal challenge is for US to do the asking at least half of the time.
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If one or both of you spoke French, there's always Vancouver ... but not a lot of tech jobs up there. To emigrate to Canada, you'd probably have to go somewhere in Ontario, where they have truly sucky winters, and you and Joe would both be miserable.
While Joe's engineering job skills are easily transportable ... they're also uniquely suited to the Valley. As is Joe's and your personalities and temperments.
Having said all of that ... in an absolutely, undeniably selfish way, Randy & I don't want y'all to move out of the Bay Area, either.
Now that my health problems are ironed out, the twins have been properly churched (or nearly so), and I'm not going to be travelling as much this coming year (see my next LJ entry for details) ... I've made an early resolution to socialize more. You and Joe have only to suggest a get togehter, and Randy & I are usualy happy to oblige (well, not on Randy's twice-a-year, 4AM-starting-time inventory weekends).
My personal challenge is for US to do the asking at least half of the time.
:)